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      CommentAuthorzombor
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
     
    5-Color was stagnant and boring. So we've recreated it. No more 5CRC rules bullcrap. Liberated B&R list. Complain about/Embrace it here. More news to come later. (no, the old forums have not been destroyed. I've already gotten a spam bot registration and post, so we'll see how long this software lasts.)
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      CommentAuthorAbe
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2009
     
    Woot! Overdue
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    THank god for jeremy bush. 5-color was dead under the tyrnacle rain of whiners. And lame as Edh was winning out as the casual format (which blows imo) thank you for trying to bring back the best format ever. Back to the way it used to be "when 5-color was fun" . which everyone has been saying for forever......And maybe even those crazy madison folk will play again. Only thing jeremy bush is your forgot to put aku fehling with the mox cystal and franky legal 5-color cards. this excites me. i was wondering what jeremy bush was up to, now we know.... Will be building a new 5-color deck in 10 min. There is a 5-color tourney coming up at the end of august in many for revised pack in stuff. Hopefully will have a good turnout. Proxies allowed will help alot of the geen bay players to come play i think. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy finally the stupid bann and restrictor axe has been lifted.
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      CommentAuthorTitan
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2009
     
    I can't even express how excited I am, zombor way to grab this thing by the balls! there was so much bitching about how lame 5-color was over the last few mos, hopefully this obviously needed overdue change has saved the format we all know and love, it may finally live up to it's motto once again, viva la revolution!
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      CommentAuthorLyellin
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2009
     
    Not that I think it matters, but reading through very quickly before I leave for a music festival for the weekend, I strongly suspect that I will play much less with these new rules. If at all. *shrugs* I also, just am guessing, will suggest that this will destroy the movement towards getting more people to play.
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      CommentAuthorzombor
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2009
     
    [quote=Lyellin]Not that I think it matters, but reading through very quickly before I leave for a music festival for the weekend, I strongly suspect that I will play much less with these new rules. If at all. *shrugs*[/quote] I can accept that. [quote]I also, just am guessing, will suggest that this will destroy the movement towards getting more people to play.[/quote] I think the unlimited proxy thing will help in that area.
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      CommentAuthorqqpq
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2009
     
    [quote=zombor]5-Color was stagnant and boring. So we've recreated it. No more 5CRC rules bullcrap. Liberated B&R list. Complain about/Embrace it here. More news to come later. (no, the old forums have not been destroyed. I've already gotten a spam bot registration and post, so we'll see how long this software lasts.)[/quote] Is there a way to access the old forums? I posted some things there that I expected a response to, and never got to read the responses (if there were any). Also, is there a way to enable a "captcha" on the forum registration? It should cut down the possibility of spam bots by at least a little bit.
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      CommentAuthorGrimJack
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2009
     
    Wow! I am stunned! Action was taken so quickly, I have a lot of reading to do! I am very excited though! Wow again!!!
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      CommentAuthorLyellin
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2009
     
    well, I'm glad you can accept losing me, zombor. kind of you. I speak as someone who is not of the Old crowd, which was my goal there. As an implication that other people will disappear from my generation as well. I don't think the proxies will help. Part of 5-C was that people got to play with old cards that were cool, do cool things, but still build a variety of competitive Decks. 300, greatly reduced B/R, all proxies.... if you want to win a tourney... proxy up some combo deck, and hope. At least, that's my intitial reading. Giving all proxies value means that anyone can build any deck... which was possible before, but not probable. And beyond, now people can always build the most broken deck. The impression I get is that I am moving from a robust format where people are bringing a new deck every time to try things, or specializing and improving their current deck... to one where the best obscene combo wins. Maybe I'm wrong. I haven't played with a bunch of those cards. I don't ever play combo. But this just makes me want to play less.
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      CommentAuthorCapnpicard
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=zombor][quote=Lyellin]Not that I think it matters, but reading through very quickly before I leave for a music festival for the weekend, I strongly suspect that I will play much less with these new rules. If at all. *shrugs*[/quote] I can accept that.[/quote] Great attitude to take. I don't know about the news rules and the B/R lists, but I am rather unhappy with the way in which these changes took place. There was an established 5C community working towards bringing in more players and bettering what used to be OUR format. Clearly this is no longer our format. All hail supreme ruler Zombor?
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      CommentAuthorzombor
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=Capnpicard]There was an established 5C community working towards bringing in more players and bettering what used to be OUR format.[/quote] You cannot deny that 5-color was basically dead in the water. The 5CRC had become basically inactive, there were barely any events being run, people are building EDH decks instead of 5C decks. Change needed to happen. [quote]Clearly this is no longer our format. All hail supreme ruler Zombor?[/quote] Who was going to take action before? Bureaucracy was getting in the way of progress. I am actually doing this with input from a few other people, including a couple previous 5CRC members (Abe and Kevin). If you guys have a good idea, bring them to my attention. [quote]Great attitude to take.[/quote] You can't make everyone happy with every decision that is made. With any large decision, someone out there is going to complain, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Magic.
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      CommentAuthorCapnpicard
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote]You cannot deny that 5-color was basically dead in the water. The 5CRC had become basically inactive, there were barely any events being run, people are building EDH decks instead of 5C decks. Change needed to happen.[/quote] I can and WILL deny that 5-color was dead in the water. I dunno what happened where you folks in Wisconsin play, but where I play we've had some of our largest tournaments to date. We've had great new activity since the land proxy was allowed. It opened up a large, expensive part of decks to be played, while still putting a limit to the decks that could be run. There was new life, and we recruiting far more players to the format from our local FNM. There was clearly established rules which had many hours put into them to create a relatively balanced and friendly play environment. You have completely tossed all of those hours of work away, and stabbed many people who put their heart into making this format better. You want change? Fine, make an uproar, yell at all the active 5CRC. But this was completely backhanded and slimy. [quote]You can't make everyone happy with every decision that is made. With any large decision, someone out there is going to complain, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Magic.[/quote] You are not our president, nor were you in any commanding position over any of the other 5CRC. You had no right to make this sort of decision. In a format based around such a small community of players, you need to talk things over and get approval before tearing the status quo to shreds.
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      CommentAuthoryaya
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    The answer is fairly simple. Go make your own format, whiner, or go play EDH.
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      CommentAuthorgamedice
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=Lyellin]Maybe I'm wrong. I haven't played with a bunch of those cards. I don't ever play combo. But this just makes me want to play less.[/quote] There won't be a single best deck. Also aggro is totally a beating with the cheap tutors.
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      CommentAuthorgamedice
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=Capnpicard]You are not our president, nor were you in any commanding position over any of the other 5CRC. You had no right to make this sort of decision. In a format based around such a small community of players, you need to talk things over and get approval before tearing the status quo to shreds.[/quote] You missed out on quite a bit from the old forums there was basically a call from "the people" to change the rules, but since the 5CRC was inactive the only solution was to tear down the old system, which was an idea I brought up and no one seemed to upset over the idea. You mention the idea that the community needs input but the old system disagrees, the community only had a voice from the 5CRC members, we didn't have a vote we could only hope someone would listen. But in a system where your leaders choose to do nothing, the only thing to do is remove them.
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      CommentAuthorCapnpicard
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=yaya]The answer is fairly simple. Go make your own format, whiner, or go play EDH.[/quote] And this kind of attitude? No wonder you folks thought 5 color was dead and gone, you just were pigheaded enough to drive everyone away. Clearly what I am pointing out holds no value amongst the "new and rejuvinated, electrifying... etc" 5-color people. I hope you fellas have fun playing your ruined format.
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      CommentAuthoryaya
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=Capnpicard]Clearly what I am pointing out holds no value amongst the "new and rejuvinated, electrifying... etc" 5-color people.[/quote] Here's something we can agree upon.
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      CommentAuthorDipstik
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    Things were bad! But now they're good! FOREVAR!!
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      CommentAuthorJD.5
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    Not that I feel it necessary to jump into a complain train at all, but Capnpicard made this comment and I feel nobody noticed the strangeness of it: "I can and WILL deny that 5-color was dead in the water. I dunno what happened where you folks in Wisconsin play, but where I play we've had some of our largest tournaments to date. We've had great new activity since the land proxy was allowed." Wouldn't it be easier to recruit people into a system where proxies are not simply limited to lands, but can take the form of Time Walk, Moxen, Black Lotus, and other such amazing cards? It seems that Wisconsin wasn't the only stagnant place as well. There was a discussion running for quite some time on the old forums about "Ok, now what? How do we breathe new life into something when we have no say in the matter?" Thankfully, Zombor fixed that for us and I think his thanks has gone underdeveloped. Before you leave, whine, or play EDH (which is totally in your hands at this point), I would recommend giving this new system a single try. Tell me it isn't fun to Contract and Jeweled Bird in your opponent's face. Tell me you did not get excited when you were able to squash your opponent's plans with a well-timed Intuition for Force of Will. There is a reason why so many of us reminisce of "the ol' days" and it's because they were amazingly fun. As the phrase goes: "Don't knock it before you try it." I can see how you also feel Undermined, Capnpicard. But, as gamedice had stated so eloquently, nothing was going to change under the old system. Sometimes, in order to revive a heart, you need to blast it with some electricity. Such is the way of things. So, in a nutshell, play Contract, slap a Jeweled Bird down afterwards, take your ante back, and win games. That's the most fun in 5-Color you may ever have.
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      CommentAuthorzombor
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote]You are not our president, nor were you in any commanding position over any of the other 5CRC. You had no right to make this sort of decision.[/quote] Not that this will matter to you, but I WAS given this kind of "power" by the creator of the format, at GenCon 2004. I simply chose not to enact it, because I honestly thought the old system was better. If you'd like to continue playing the old format, feel free to. It's not like it was going to change anytime soon. [quote]which was an idea I brought up and no one seemed to upset over the idea.[/quote] This was kind of ironic, because this came up independently of that thread.
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      CommentAuthorCapnpicard
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    We added land proxy after a lot of feedback came from our local tournament. Our players weren't concerned with playing with Mox's or Jeweled Birds or Contracts. They were having difficulty competing using a much slower and hard to establish land base. With the addition of land proxy many players came, but still had to you know, "build" a deck. With this change you have basically broken the core concept of a collectible game. If I want to play with any card, Ill see you on MWS.
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      CommentAuthorDipstik
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    I, for one, welcome our new overlord. This was a long time coming.
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      CommentAuthorzombor
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote]If I want to play with any card, Ill see you on MWS.[/quote] Actually, I think this will be a major pull to the format now, and something I am going to try and promote.
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      CommentAuthorBetheduck
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=zombor]Not that this will matter to you, but I WAS given this kind of "power" by the creator of the format, at GenCon 2004. I simply chose not to enact it, because I honestly thought the old system was better.[/quote] My only comment on this or and on the changes you decided on for this format are, I don't think anyone can give you the right to simply take over and change rules on a format that is built around a community of players. Some people may be happy and appeased, some people may be angry, but what I really am is impressed. Impressed by the immaturity of this move. If you truly wanted to legitimately changed the format to where you have it at now on the website, the proper way to do it would have been getting a vote between all of the active players at tournaments across the US, or at-least as many as you could. I for one, and many others, did hear nothing of the sort about this change coming. [quote=zombor]You can't make everyone happy with every decision that is made. With any large decision, someone out there is going to complain, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Magic.[/quote] Of course there will be complainers, but you need to think about how many people you just pissed off. All of your Wisconsin crowd is happy, everyone else is like, "Who the heck is this? Why did he do this?" Without first polling the community and getting a majority vote on wanting to change the way this game works, this move has no legitimacy, and it honestly seems immature and hasty. It also has me wondering what kind of community of "magic players" would be so willing to forget about half of their player base just so they can go back to the rules they love oh so much. The format wasn't dead in my eyes, perhaps you guys just needed to open yours?
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      CommentAuthorzombor
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote]If you truly wanted to legitimately changed the format to where you have it at now on the website, the proper way to do it would have been getting a vote between all of the active players at tournaments across the US, or at-least as many as you could.[/quote] 5-Color has never been a democracy. I'm sorry you viewed it that way. [quote]everyone else is like, "Who the heck is this? Why did he do this?"[/quote] If you've been part of the online community at all the past 6-7 years, you would know who I am. [quote]Without first polling the community and getting a majority vote on wanting to change the way this game works, this move has no legitimacy, and it honestly seems immature and hasty.[/quote] Sorry, group majority does simply not work, especially with magic players.
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      CommentAuthorBetheduck
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=zombor]5-Color has never been a democracy. I'm sorry you viewed it that way.[/quote] Nor has it been "Hey I'm in charge now and I'm taking it over." [quote=zomber]If you've been part of the online community at all the past 6-7 years, you would know who I am.[/quote] I am aware of who you are, my meaning was, "Who the heck is this to be taking over the format that we all play and love so dearly." [quote=zombor]Sorry, group majority does simply not work, especially with magic players.[/quote] All you just said to me was, "No you're wrong, your opinions mean nothing, I am right." Saying that group majority does not work, is well, wrong. It's worked before, in Magic, and in situations other then magic. But what I AM saying, is that this format is based around a tight-knit group of players, who all understood the previous rules, and many of whom were happy with how the current 5-color situation was. When you want to go around changing things, you can't say, "OH well my half of the community wanted change." There's still people you did not account for, and like I said previously, doing this was basically an immature way of saying, "I want it MY way."
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      CommentAuthorgamedice
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    I'd point out that anyone crying against Zombor's move because it's unfair obviously hasn't been around the 5-color forums to know how the system works. The rules were never community based, and in fact at it's roots it was a single person who came up with the rules and was in charge of the B&R for quite some time. The idea behind getting a nation wide community vote is laughable at best. The posting community (right here) which would be the best way to poll everyone in the nation was for the most part comprised of, a handful of people from Wisconsin, some guys in Philly, and then like what maybe 4 people all in different states like Necro-M and myself.
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      CommentAuthorgamedice
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=Betheduck]But what I AM saying, is that this format is based around a tight-knit group of players, who all understood the previous rules, and many of whom were happy with how the current 5-color situation was. When you want to go around changing things, you can't say, "OH well my half of the community wanted change." There's still people you did not account for, and like I said previously, doing this was basically an immature way of saying, "I want it MY way."[/quote] I'm curious who are you, where are you from and why am I not familiar with your name on the forums?
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      CommentAuthorBetheduck
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    Some guys in Philly, as in we had tournaments of near 20 players recently, and there's one today, one which unfortunately I will not be able to make. To Gamedice: Can you stop accusing everyone and whining and crying? Do you see me crying here? I am discussing the situation which arose, not stamping my feet and having a temper tantrum. I'm not a child and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop regarding me as such. I am also well of how the system works, and how many people (from Wisconsin no doubt) like this change, but you cannot come in, and have some sort of coup over the rules that many of use still enjoy and abide by. If you want to have your own format that is different from what most of the nation's 5 color players know as 5 Color, go make it. I'll even give you a name, "300 Print out Extravaganza."
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      CommentAuthorBetheduck
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    I am a player who was until recently un-aware that we had a forums for the 5cc format. I am a player from around Philly. And when I did find out, I did not post much, just looked at what other people had to say.
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      CommentAuthorgamedice
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=Betheduck]Some guys in Philly, as in we had tournaments of near 20 players recently, and there's one today, one which unfortunately I will not be able to make. To Gamedice: Can you stop accusing everyone and whining and crying? Do you see me crying here? I am discussing the situation which arose, not stamping my feet and having a temper tantrum. I'm not a child and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop regarding me as such. I am also well of how the system works, and how many people (from Wisconsin no doubt) like this change, but you cannot come in, and have some sort of coup over the rules that many of use still enjoy and abide by. If you want to have your own format that is different from what most of the nation's 5 color players know as 5 Color, go make it.[/quote] Woah woah woah fell calm down, relax have some dip. I didn't say you were a child, or that you were whining and crying. In fact I'm not the one calling Zombor "immature." I'm totally treating you like an adult with a rational mind, and pointing out how the system used to work and why Zombor was totally justified in what he did. I'm sure you feel betrayed in some manner and I can understand that, but you can't fly off the handle about this, or any time I try and get a real answer from your or about your perspective. My point is simply one of, where were you when everyone was complaining about 5-color and how the B&R is too long and never changes or how the 5CRC doesn't care about the format? Are you really more pissed off about the changes, or just the manner in which it took place. If the 5CRC voted to make these changes would that make you less mad? I don't think so because your anger/dislike/whatever seems to be based in loving what you knew 5-color to be. So you are upset over change, but that's always been apart of 5-color there are several times it's made really big changes like this. I don't think you will get the answers you are looking for from Zombor because I don't think you really want any answers. He's given you the most honest answers he can. He choose to do it, Kurt said it was ok some 5CRC members are in agreement with him. So please don't think I'm talking down to you, I'm really not I'm only pointing out the situation which is what you want answers for. I don't think your idea of a "discussion" is going to be productive because you've already decided you don't like this new 5-color and the only thing that will satisfy you will be to have it back to the way it was, right?
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      CommentAuthorBetheduck
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    Where was I? I was playing 5 color magic in flourishing tournaments here in Philly. And I assure you I'm not flying off the handle, but when you tell everyone to "Go whine somewhere else" or call them whiners, or tell them to stop crying, it sure sounds condescend(not the counter AHA...lame)ing.
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      CommentAuthorgamedice
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=Betheduck]Where was I? I was playing 5 color magic in flourishing tournaments here in Philly. And I assure you I'm not flying off the handle, but when you tell everyone to "Go whine somewhere else" or call them whiners, or tell them to stop crying, it sure sounds condescend(not the counter AHA...lame)ing.[/quote] Again I didn't say that. My point is the time for whining has past. You aren't really suggesting any sort of answer or solution you are just accusing Zombor of being immature and calling it a "discussion" so maybe it is just whining, there I said it. Basically you have two options, try out the new system and see if you can enjoy it. Or the other is to just play the "old" version of 5-color with the old B&R no one is stopping you or your friends from doing that.
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      CommentAuthoritalyrox3
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    congrats Zombor, you have ruined the format!!!! You make decisions without discussing it with any of the other 5C members, this isnt a change, it is a take-over and frankly very sad. I plan to continue playing 5-color, but by the original rules, and I will still enjoy it. Have fun with your abomination
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      CommentAuthoryaya
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=Betheduck]Where was I? I was playing 5 color magic in flourishing tournaments here in Philly. And I assure you I'm not flying off the handle, but when you tell everyone to "Go whine somewhere else" or call them whiners, or tell them to stop crying, it sure sounds condescend(not the counter AHA...lame)ing.[/quote] [quote=italyrox3]congrats Zombor, you have ruined the format!!!! You make decisions without discussing it with any of the other 5C members, this isnt a change, it is a take-over and frankly very sad. I plan to continue playing 5-color, but by the original rules, and I will still enjoy it. Have fun with your abomination[/quote] WAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! I do feel your outrage, whiners. I remember mine (and holyghost's) when the 5CRC neutered the format and made it more and more boring and unexciting. I remember the sanctimonious jerks telling us we were completely off base and the changes were good for the format. I also remember putting on tournaments and getting fewer and fewer people until the only people I'd get were from out of town. Zombor is not calling you whiners and neither is Gamedice. They are being very nice and listening to your useless input of "Who are you to do this?" and "I'm gonna take my cards and go home!". I am the gloating asshole calling you whiners and enjoying every second of your pointless rage. Because I am also the asshole who put a lot of time into trying to grow a format whose leadership didn't seem to give a damn (except for 3: Zombor, Arcanus, Abe) and who was planning on making the tournament I ran in August the last I ever did. I believe this format will recover now that exciting plays and inspiring decks are again possible, instead of "play Aggro or lose". I truly believe there is hope now, thanks to Zombor. This is remarkable considering that a week ago, I was mourning 5-Color as dead. So rage on all you want, whine me to the moon. I'll be playing with Time Walk and Yawgmoth's Will, I'll be losing to retarded plays and loving every minute of it.
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      CommentAuthorzombor
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote]You make decisions without discussing it with any of the other 5C members[/quote] Do you mean the other 5CRC members? The ones who don't even reply to your emails? The ones that everyone here complains about? Whatever, I did talk to three of them about this. Two of them agreed completely. [quote]this isnt a change[/quote] Yes it is. [quote]it is a take-over[/quote] That's true too, but I'll listen and adjust things without a bunch of stupid bureaucracy. You want to contribute to how the wishes will work? Go post in the thread about it. I always respond to emails. Add me on gtalk or AIM if you want to. I'm literally online 12-16 hours a day.
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      CommentAuthorMagic Mike
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    Wow, this change surprised me. I'm a casual player who used to tell people that my deck was built for "5-color". In order to steer them away from the drama I see unfolding here I'm just going to run "Vintage Prismatic" from now on. Both Vintage and Prismatic are better known than 5-color anyway, so it'll be easier for my local players to understand what I'm talking about.
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      CommentAuthorGolrath
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    Well from what I read from all this is Zombor decided that 5-color was dead in Wisconsin and decided that he wanted to recreate the format. That's fine and dandy, but I'm pretty sure you lost all the support from everywhere except Wisconsin. I know Philly had a decent sized group of players that would go to Indy/Chicago for 5-color worlds, but I don't know if that support will be there anymore. Have fun with your group of players Wisconsin, it has seemed like that's how it's always been even in the old forums, if it didn't go the way Wisconsin wanted it, then it wasn't good enough. Anyway flame off, in all seriousness, 300 cards, all proxies? Why does that just seem bad to me, granted I hate type 1, I hate seeing turn 1 wins, they aren't exciting plays, they are just annoyances in my opinion. I prefer to play with cards that I own. But how do you think making the decks bigger are going to help? Sure you add an extra 50 cards of randomness, but you know what unbanning all the 1CC tutors, having no restrictions and nothing else, you not only made the decks even more consistent than the old 250, but it's just going to become overly repetitive and exactly legacy/type 1 magic. Where you either play combo or lose. Anyway... I guess I'll applaud Zombor for at least taking action and doing what he thought he needed to do, though I in no way agree with a thing he's done, I suppose he's done something... Oh and yaya, congrats for being the stereotypical power-gaming netdecker, gg, please don't respond to this post as your opinion matters naught.
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      CommentAuthorstrandiam
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    Luckily for all the moral protesters/Philadelphia residents 5-color is an UNSANCTIONED CASUAL FORMAT and they can play whatever fucking rules they feel like. Even if Zombor is a dictator, he'll be the THIRD dictator in 5-color history. It's not some crazy surprise and it doesn't affect you if you don't want it to. In fact, I just decided to overthrow Zombor and take over. All tutors are unrestricted. Send your complaints to me now and don't at all just ignore me and play however the hell you want because that wouldn't make any sense.
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      CommentAuthoryaya
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=Golrath]Well from what I read from all this is Zombor decided that 5-color was dead in Wisconsin and decided that he wanted to recreate the format. That's fine and dandy, but I'm pretty sure you lost all the support from everywhere except Wisconsin. I know Philly had a decent sized group of players that would go to Indy/Chicago for 5-color worlds, but I don't know if that support will be there anymore. Have fun with you're group of players Wisconsin, it has seemed like that's how it's always been even in the old forums, if it didn't go the way Wisconsin wanted it, then it wasn't good enough.[/quote] That's nice. Please make more generic assertions you can't back up just because you personally don't like what has happened so it can seem like your opinion carries more weight. [quote=Golrath]Oh and yaya, congrats for being the stereotypical power-gaming netdecker, gg, please don't respond to this post as you're opinion matters naught.[/quote] Thank you for insulting me and dismissing me. I am happy to know I've pissed off another ignorant asshat.
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      CommentAuthoryaya
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2009
     
    [quote=strandiam]Luckily for all the moral protesters/Philadelphia residents 5-color is an UNSANCTIONED CASUAL FORMAT and they can play whatever fucking rules they feel like. Even if Zombor is a dictator, he'll be the THIRD dictator in 5-color history. It's not some crazy surprise and it doesn't affect you if you don't want it to. In fact, I just decided to overthrow Zombor and take over. All tutors are unrestricted. Send your complaints to me now and don't at all just ignore me and play however the hell you want because that wouldn't make any sense.[/quote] You are the wind beneath my wings.
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      CommentAuthorDipstik
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2009
     
    Hey Philly: If you really want to be taken seriously and NOT give the impression that the entire city is full of asshats, please keep people like Golrath away from computers. Go ahead and bring them to tournaments, but don't give them access to a forum where they can give your entire population a bad name. "You're opinion matters naught?" Sheesh.
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      CommentAuthoritalyrox3
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2009
     
    awww Wisconsin is sad we made fun of them haha
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      CommentAuthorGrimJack
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2009
     
    [quote=italyrox3]I plan to continue playing 5-color, but by the original rules, and I will still enjoy it.[/quote] Im sure a lot of people will opt to still do that. And thats fine. If these changes didnt come about, I was planning to advocate a spin-off highlander format (H5C) with a similarly reduced banned list. I don't need to now, because I like the reborn 5C, and I'm in favor of the changes. When I first heard of the changes, I suspected there would be many people who revolted; I'm curious if the modfications will be the straw that breaks the camel's back or enough to get new people involved to save it. Regardless, I decided it wouldnt stop me from playing 5C in either situation. We can always do whatever we want to.
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      CommentAuthorGrimJack
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2009
     
    [quote=zombor][quote]You make decisions without discussing it with any of the other 5C members[/quote] Do you mean the other 5CRC members? The ones who don't even reply to your emails? The ones that everyone here complains about? Whatever, I did talk to three of them about this. Two of them agreed completely.[/quote] I suspect Abe & Terry. Who was the third?
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      CommentAuthorAbe
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2009
     
    [quote=italyrox3]congrats Zombor, you have ruined the format!!!! You make decisions without discussing it with any of the other 5C members, this isnt a change, it is a take-over and frankly very sad. I plan to continue playing 5-color, but by the original rules, and I will still enjoy it. Have fun with your abomination[/quote] He discussed it with me and Kevin, we both thought it was time. I've personally been very frustrated with the 5CRC for about 18 months, roughly. Not everyone on it, of course, but the group suffered from too much inertia. No one was changing it. Several members tried proposals to fix the B&R list, streamline the rules, and so forth, and nothing worked. There were too many problems. Now, Kevin and I are still asking some rules questions behind the scenes of Andrew Cahill and Jeremy. There are still some cards we want to get pulled off and such. For example, I'd like to see Weathered Wayfarer come off the list, I have a list of about 8 cards myself and Kevin's got 6 or 7 more we want to talk about. Note the key word, talking. There are discussions going on, just like before, only now, everything's on the table.
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      CommentAuthorAbe
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2009
     
    [quote=Golrath]Well from what I read from all this is Zombor decided that 5-color was dead in Wisconsin and decided that he wanted to recreate the format. That's fine and dandy, but I'm pretty sure you lost all the support from everywhere except Wisconsin. .[/quote] Not Michigan. I shared these changes with the many players I've come to know, and there was one opinion expressed so far - unanimous support.
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      CommentAuthorChimaera
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2009
     
    I formally withdrawal Winnipeg from this format. Pretty much talked with every active player and there is no yay for the changes, only nays. We will still try to follow the older guidelines and probably fix up what was wrong with the B&R of our accord. I do like how the new size and color requirements would crush cheaty decks. The barrier of entry for real cards went through the roof, but unlimited proxies is retarded and there's no reason to buy cards anymore. Ill still be active on the forums, hell its something to do while I am at work.
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      CommentAuthoryaya
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2009
     
    I formally withdraw France from this format as I have the right to speak for any nation or group of people I wish to.
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      CommentAuthorzombor
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2009
     
    I hate france anyway.