Wow. I always knew the canadians were douchebags.

Four of them already sold. Isn't that original artwork? Who holds the copyright to it? I reported it to ebay.

Mudkip says what?

Mudkip says what?

As much as you say crystals are "fake" (yes i know they are privately produced and that makes them fake to you), there's a real emotional difference here. IMO, there is a real emotional impact when you work on a format, and create a promo card for it, have a limited supply of the card to make it "special" then people go off and print off crappy versions and try and sell them.

BTW, what were they selling for? I never actually saw the real auctions.

Wow, I feel so empowered. And I totally agree with you. If anything - and Chapman would know more than I do - wouldn't Mox Crystal fall under some sort of intellectual property, which would make it blatantly illegal to just copy outright and sell for profit? I'm thinking of this much in the light of Plagiarism.

Either way, the dude deserves whatever is coming if eBay motions this farther.

IP law is NOT my specialty, but the artwork should be the property of Jeremy Bush if he commissioned it

I didn't, Mox Crystals were created some months before I started up with 5. I wouldn't really know offhand who the copyright holder for the artwork is (whoever LizArt is), I'd have to ask Kurt or Mark Gresbach about that. I personally know the artist for Aku Fehling and that's his art, as it says in the copyright on the bottom of the card.

5-color (me I guess?) would probably own the "copyright" on the card text and how it functions though, since it was commissioned via 5-color magic.

and the card layout, tap symbol, and especially the BACK (the part that says "magic the gathering, deckmaster, etc) is definitely the property of Hasbro.

Of course. Even making our own card like mox crystal and distributing it is probably illegal.

Or I could be wrong on all of this. I'm not a laywer, I'm a computer programmer ;)

They were never printed with the new card face. No copyright, no set symbol. Easy to spot fake.

No, they really can't. You can't print magic cards and sell them for profit. The mana symbols, tap symbols, artwork, card face, card back, etc, are all copyright protected.

Well for one thing, your auction only gets shut down if ebay does it. The fact that it's a copyright violation doesn't necessarily mean eBay will catch it. Beyond that, I have a vague feeling that using a commercial product in your own artwork is some sort of fair use exception to copyright, but it's not really my forte.

I always found it hilarious how you dislike me so. Also for the record, you are the biggest dbag ever to grace the multiple iterations of these forums.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=mtg+altered&_sacat=See-All-Categories

lol I so do not sell stuff on ebay, only buy. If you are indeed betting that that was me, let me know what the stakes are and I will tell you where to mail my winnings.

"real authentic magic cards"? Did you even look at the list halfway down theres a bunch of 100% fake ones, look at the General Grevious.
http://cgi.ebay.com/MTG-Altered-Art-Grievous-Nice-jace_W0QQitemZ330404631965QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4ceda6959d
Artifact Creature - Sith

I guess it just means authentic crystals cant be sold on ebay either due to still being non wotc manufactured cards. I don't see any special wording on that grievous description, it says "altered" which may allow it not to be canceled because they all say altered, although it looks printed. In fact I think it should say General Grievous and be Legendary...and hes not a Sith, just a robot trained in sword combat (actually I don't know the back story, have not read the books from that era, he does have a heart but didn't use any force powers in the movie)...but that's just the Star Wars fan in me talking.

Anyone who tries or condones selling crystals is a douchebag.

I still think selling it is a d-bag move. It's impossible to price correctly. Do a trade to other 5-color players at least.

Well, $50 to $300 is not a "valid" price, imo. Wild fluctuations in price tells of a product that isn't priced correctly. And when it's with something as rare as a mox crystal, it's expected. Rare items fluctuate wildly based on the buyer/seller.

So by your reasoning, nothing rare can ever be sold lest the seller (and presumably the buyer) be a douchebag.

Your reasoning fails. Neither you nor anyone else can dictate what a "valid" price is as long as there's a willing buyer, a willing seller, and full knowledge of what's being sold. If someone can get $300 for it, then their buyer is an idiot, but I don't fault them for selling.

It's not like I care since I can proxy it and I don't usually play with it anyway, but if it bothers you, PRINT MORE!

I've won several tournaments, but I'll never have a chance to win one because there were never any tournaments in Oshkosh back when you were giving them out. If you intend Crystals to be for an exclusive club, come up with a list of names of people who can own one and don't let anyone else play with them. Does that seem fair? Then don't complain if someone wants to buy one.

This doesn't change the fact that Chimera is a douchebag for printing them up illegitimately. (or whichever of his friends... Canadians all look the same to me with their beady little eyes and flapping heads)